McCain says he is PRO LIFE! He says that a child is formed at the moment of conceiving. He insists on No Abortions, apparently NO MATTER WHAT!
That is a pretty hard line for a man who has never been pregnant! What about rape? What about psychological disorders? What about medical complications? Why is this man in our faces about Abortion?
He says you are rich only if you have 5 million dollars! That's nuts! He's nuts! He doesn't see a difference between middle America and upper class America. He hasn't got a clue!
To me, if he thinks all abortions should be a crime of murder, then masturbation should be a felony also. Those potential sperm could have made a baby. Their plasma manufacturing process could have continued to exist in the body building/enhancing bone marrow density, the center of human life. These sperm are known by scientists to be emotionally attached to a male body even after ejaculated, feeling pain and such until oxygen kill them!
John is still in his Prisoner of War Camp and his Christian Religious "saved" prison and likely will be there for the rest of his life. America does not need his services for President. I am glad he served in Vietnam and would have been proud to have served with him there. I am a Vietnam Vet, but I was not in Vietnam except to fly over. Spent some time in Thialand where I was assaulted by four Thai men and a woman on a US base! They wanted me to come to her bungalo, have sex and she could take care of me and I give her my monthly check. When I turned down their offer, each of the men put a knife to my throat and when I showed them my wedding band, the girl called them off.
That is one amongst many assaults on my person in the military, not in a POW camp, not having been shot, but being assaulted on many occasions, even by our own troops!
Presumpt, Some of us have the brains to read into what McCain said, to draw conclusions. I never said that McCain said anything about abortion. I said, that if abortion is not allowed, then masturbation should also be held to be a felony. Let's draw the line from moment of wasteful sexual acts, shall we? You know what?
I would be more impressed if you attacked the reason that people are pro choice.
Is it not a fact, that the real problem is unwanted pregnancy?
The argument that a woman who was raped should be allowed an abortion is in itself a symptom of the problem. Unprotected sex.
what many want to know, is this-how is it, the fertilized fetus' fault, as to how it began the cycle of life?
If anyone can explain intelligently why the egg, that was fertilized, is somehow to blame, then perhaps they can also explain why it is that we were not allowed to terminate the fertilization of the the egg that brought those who are pro-choice into the forum?
If not, why is it, that you, can say that it is not a life, when in fact, it is HOW YOUR LIFE BEGAN?
FOR any pro choicer, if you think that it is not a life unless it can support itself outside the womb, then you are in excellent company with the likes of Adolph Hitler, who thought nothing of using those who were suffering disabilities as science experiments.
If so, is it true, that pro choicers, would think it is appropriate to use the retarded as tools of science experiments.?
I would definitely think that if we were to extend the logic of pro choice, to post par tum, then of course, we would be able to post par tum abort these humans that are the (liberal-parasitic) detritus of life in the west ( in that they are not likely to produce something of value, but rather more likely to leach as parasites do) and do away with the entire parasitic mentality of the liberal left, in that we, as working productive humans realize, are monkeys on our backs.
Other than that? If the liberals get their way?
And foist national health care upon the burden of my paycheck?
That is the day that I quit my 80k job, and go to work at McDs.
Why should i work as a competant human, when the liberals have as their goal the redistribution of my productivity to the stupid? (Liberals, man you are stupid. Socialism does not work. No matter what your ignorant tenured liberal proffesors say, I, and all other thinkers, will join the race to do nothing, as the former Soviets did, in the realization that their is not motive to do more, when you take more.)
Liberals?
Perhaps when you get out of college? And the percentages of the deductions are a real number from your paycheck? You will; change your altruistic song and dance. Do you know how intellectually dishonest it is to bring up rape and/or the mothers life being in danger when talking about the abortion debate when most pro lifers think exceptions should be made in very very extreme cases and hardly any abortions are done for those reasons. I don't think McCain is the man for the presidency, but don't make him into a straw man for the issues he is representing. It's selfish to kill an unborn child, even from rape. We should give our whole life to that child and all our resources, or find a suitable family to raise the child if our resources are limited. He was pandering to the religious right. He an ***. He tries to stay away from the questions all of the time by going, "When I was in Vietnam (fill in the rest)...." He's Bush. Um....yeah. Whatever.
Now let's talk about what's going on with *you*. Something sure as hell is.
And I say this as a person who will pull the lever for Obama (again!) in November. God bless John McCain... The only true Christian on the presidential ballot. I think you should blog rather than ask questions. Flush the John Is this a joke? I am not saying that I am pro McCain here so please don't think that , because I am not. As a matter of fact he has changed his mind about abortion as much as some people change their, you know what. However, I do agree with the fact that life begins at conception. It would be extremely hard to birth a child that was conceived from rape. However, the rapist deserves to be punished for the crime, the baby does not deserve the death penalty. Adoption is choice that could be used. And another thing, did you realize that only 4% all abortions are because of rape or health of mother. What are the other 96%? Because the woman does not want a child. There are 4,000 abortions a day in America, so you do the math.
About those "potential" sperm! Did you realize that it is only when the sperm meets the egg is it life? That argument doesn't work. Once the sperm meets with the FERTILIZED egg, then there is life (not potential for life).
As a believer in the CREATOR- I cannot vote for anyone that gives any reason for taking the life of the most innocent creation of all, a baby in the mother's womb I believe McCain just doesn't believe in abortion as I.
I don't believe he has SPAD
In Judaism, views on abortion draw primarily upon the legal and ethical teachings of the Hebrew Bible, the Talmud, the case-by-case decisions of responsa, and other rabbinic literature. In the modern period, moreover, Jewish thinking on abortion has responded both to liberal understandings of personal autonomy as well as Christian opposition to abortion.[1] Generally speaking, traditionalist Jews firmly oppose abortion, with few health-related exceptions, and liberal Jews tend to allow greater latitude for abortion.
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[edit] Rabbinic literature
The Torah says little about the status or treatment of the embryo or fetus. Indeed, only one crucial Biblical law establishes a rule about the killing of an embryo or fetus. Specifically, Exodus 21:22-23 states:
When men fight, and one of them pushes a pregnant woman and a miscarriage results, but no other damage (ason) ensues, the one responsible shall be fined according as the woman's husband may exact from him, the payment to be based on reckoning. But if other damage (ason) ensues, the penalty shall be life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
Under Jewish Biblical exegesis, this law forbids aborting an embryo whether intentionally or not, but such abortion is not deemed murder. Instead, the abortion is a form of damages subject to monetary compensation. Conversely, the killing of the mother -- the other damage (ason) -- is murder.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and...
What about abortion and the Bible?
The Bible tells us the point at which a new person begins their life.
In The Womb: When Rebekah, the wife of Abraham, was pregnant with Esau and Jacob, they were fighting even before they were born.
Genesis 25:22 - "And the children struggled together within her..." (KJV)
Notice they are called "children" before they were born. In the original Hebrew, the same word is translated here as "children" as is used for children who have already been born. They are not blobs of protein, nor does the Bible even refer to them as fetuses, they are children. Thus we know that we are children... we are persons, before we are born. Birth does not make a fetus a person.
Six Months: Luke 1:41 - "And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost." (KJV)
The word translated as "babe" is the Greek word "brephos". This is the same word used in Luke 2:12 and 2:16 for the already born Jesus. It is also the same word used for children in Luke 18:15-17. At this point in time Elisabeth was in her sixth month. So we see the Bible refers to a fetus in the sixth month the same ways as it does a person who has already been born. Thus a six month old fetus is a child... a person.
http://www.evangelical.us/abortion/index...
I knew you before you were Born I knew you even before you were ... I knit you together in your mother's womb...Psalm 139:13. And brought you forth on the day you were born...Psalm 71:6 ...Both Jacob and Esau were born alive. [Compare Gen 38:27-30] ... I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; ...
www.biblestudymanuals.net/abortion.htm
I believe in natural contraception and contraception. and that it should be provided for all but not ABORTION Alright here we go, that got me started when I came across this subject. I'm 14 and know a lot more than some adults out there especially if it involves morality. When a woman conceives a child, there is a life God has a plan for instantly. Millions are killed a year because of abortions that should be illegal. It doesn't matter what the situation is, a life shouldn't be aborted, it's murder. Women who have had an abortion might as well walk around with a sticker on their forehead that says "I'm a murderer." If there is a medical complication in a child it was meant to be, that mother's plan was to bear a burden in her life of taking care of a handicapped child. That's all to it. Put it up for adoption. Whatever. Your life right now, might not have ever happened. If your mother had an abortion with you, you obviously wouldn't know it, but for sake of the conversation, you did, that's a life never lived, a life you never would have. Excuse me for choosing life over not having one, anyone would. So the rebuttal to this cannot be well that baby would never know it, well they would know it if they had an opportunity for life and that would be awful scary to know that you were close to having no life at one point.
If abortion is the answer, than it must be a real stupid question.
Sex isn't a toy. Even if it's rape, well there are situations when it's completely not the person's fault at all who was, but 99% of the time it's that person's own danger they put themselves in. Most all the stories involve a girl that doesn't have a brain. Sorry.
But that's not the point, if rape happens there's other options, because the moment a child is conceived, it was all meant to be. Sounds like you have some deeply seeded issues that need to be resolved. McCain was answering questions the same as Obama. You seem like a very angry person who has deep trust issues. You ascribe things to people that they did not say and then you jump to very illogical and irrational conclusions. McCain never said abortions should be illegal. He never discussed masturbation. He never said abortion is murder. He never discussed plasma or bone marrow density. These are products of your twisted and fearful mind. I hope you get the help you need.
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